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xwinus
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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Hello,
Few days before Oracle acquired the Sun Microsystems, and now I fear about the future on Netbeans. I know that Oracle has it's own Java IDE (JDeveloper), so my question is: Do anybody know what will happen with Netbeans and Java? And I also hope that Oracle won't change the license of Java.
Thanks for any info, Xwinus |
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ryniek
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 17
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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| xwinus wrote: | Hello,
Few days before Oracle acquired the Sun Microsystems, and now I fear about the future on Netbeans. I know that Oracle has it's own Java IDE (JDeveloper), so my question is: Do anybody know what will happen with Netbeans and Java? And I also hope that Oracle won't change the license of Java.
Thanks for any info, Xwinus |
I read somewhere, that JDeveloper will be head IDE project for bussiness, but NetBeans will be still developed for personal use. JavaFX will be continuously developed since it is a viable project. Sun's HotSpot (Java VM) won't be deprecated. Kenai will be closed, but not abandoned (Oracle will re-active it after some modifications). Also (Open)Solaris won't be abandoned, and still don't know what about OpenOffice/StarOffice. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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ryniek
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 17
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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| ryniek wrote: | | xwinus wrote: | Hello,
Few days before Oracle acquired the Sun Microsystems, and now I fear about the future on Netbeans. I know that Oracle has it's own Java IDE (JDeveloper), so my question is: Do anybody know what will happen with Netbeans and Java? And I also hope that Oracle won't change the license of Java.
Thanks for any info, Xwinus |
I read somewhere, that JDeveloper will be head IDE project for bussiness, but NetBeans will be still developed for personal use. JavaFX will be continuously developed since it is a viable project. Sun's HotSpot (Java VM) won't be deprecated. Kenai will be closed, but not abandoned (Oracle will re-active it after some modifications). Also (Open)Solaris won't be abandoned, and still don't know what about OpenOffice/StarOffice. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
NetBeans ( >= 6.8 ) will be developed on Oracle license as a "best IDE for Java SE, scripting languages and Solaris", but JDeveloper will be for enterprise solutions; besides, some modules from NetBeans will be implemented into JDeveloper. Sun's HotSpot will survive as a part of JRockit. Kenai will be closed for now, and opened some day after "cleaning" and adding new features - if it'll be worth.
JavaCAPS and OpenESB will be supported and developed only for present clients. JavaOne conference will survive. JavaFX will be developed as a worthy competitor for Adobe Flash/Flex and MS Silverlight.
Correct if wrong. |
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xwinus
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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| ryniek wrote: | | ryniek wrote: | | xwinus wrote: | Hello,
Few days before Oracle acquired the Sun Microsystems, and now I fear about the future on Netbeans. I know that Oracle has it's own Java IDE (JDeveloper), so my question is: Do anybody know what will happen with Netbeans and Java? And I also hope that Oracle won't change the license of Java.
Thanks for any info, Xwinus |
I read somewhere, that JDeveloper will be head IDE project for bussiness, but NetBeans will be still developed for personal use. JavaFX will be continuously developed since it is a viable project. Sun's HotSpot (Java VM) won't be deprecated. Kenai will be closed, but not abandoned (Oracle will re-active it after some modifications). Also (Open)Solaris won't be abandoned, and still don't know what about OpenOffice/StarOffice. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
NetBeans ( >= 6.8 ) will be developed on Oracle license as a "best IDE for Java SE, scripting languages and Solaris", but JDeveloper will be for enterprise solutions; besides, some modules from NetBeans will be implemented into JDeveloper. Sun's HotSpot will survive as a part of JRockit. Kenai will be closed for now, and opened some day after "cleaning" and adding new features - if it'll be worth.
JavaCAPS and OpenESB will be supported and developed only for present clients. JavaOne conference will survive. JavaFX will be developed as a worthy competitor for Adobe Flash/Flex and MS Silverlight.
Correct if wrong. |
Hello ryniek, thanks for replies. I just don't understand one thing. You wrote that Netbeans will be developed on "Oracle license", does it means that Netbeans will not be longer developed under CDDL/GPL license? I just fear that Oracle closes the source and makes it "free usage for non-commercial purposes".
And I don't know Oracle's JRockit, but when Sun's HotSpot will be added as a part to JRockit, will it be better for Java future (I mean better performance, new features etc.)? Thanks much |
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javydreamercsw
Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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Removing NB would be just a mistake. I'm more worried about MySQL's future. That would be a big loss,but from the business point is a natural for Oracle to remove a competitor. Sadly I don't see stuff like Visual Web, UML and SOA survive the change dueto their current state.
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:11 AM, ryniek <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])> wrote:
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ryniek wrote:
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xwinus wrote:
| Quote: | Hello,
Few days before Oracle acquired the Sun Microsystems, and now I fear about the future on Netbeans. I know that Oracle has it's own Java IDE (JDeveloper), so my question is: Do anybody know what will happen with Netbeans and Java? And I also hope that Oracle won't change the license of Java.
Thanks for any info, Xwinus
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I read somewhere, that JDeveloper will be head IDE project for bussiness, but NetBeans will be still developed for personal use. JavaFX will be continuously developed since it is a viable project. Sun's HotSpot (Java VM) won't be deprecated. Kenai will be closed, but not abandoned (Oracle will re-active it after some modifications). Also (Open)Solaris won't be abandoned, and still don't know what about OpenOffice/StarOffice. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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NetBeans ( >= 6.8 ) will be developed on Oracle license as a "best IDE for Java SE, scripting languages and Solaris", but JDeveloper will be for enterprise solutions; besides, some modules from NetBeans will be implemented into JDeveloper. Sun's HotSpot will survive as a part of JRockit. Kenai will be closed for now, and opened some day after "cleaning" and adding new features - if it'll be worth.
JavaCAPS and OpenESB will be supported and developed only for present clients. JavaOne conference will survive. JavaFX will be developed as a worthy competitor for Adobe Flash/Flex and MS Silverlight.
Correct if wrong.
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Cheers & Thanks for help
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comfy
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swv
Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 290
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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| MySQL is OS right? So it can be forked. Oracle can't kill the FOSS DB movement, there's too many of them out there and too much know how and too much motivation and opportunity for any company that is willing to master the code base. Oracle's best bet is to provide solutions to companies that want things to just get done and don't want to mess with anything not in their business vertical, right? |
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BM Posted via mailing list.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:54 am Post subject: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:57 AM, xwinus <address-removed> wrote:
| Quote: | Hello,
Few days before Oracle acquired the Sun Microsystems, and now I fear about the future on Netbeans. I know that Oracle has it's own Java IDE (JDeveloper), so my question is: Do anybody know what will happen with Netbeans and Java? And I also hope that Oracle won't change the license of Java.
Thanks for any info, Xwinus
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I think, better to read about all this things just directly, right
from the Oracle, as an official statement. Pretty much clear almost
about everything (not sure about Kenai and OpenSolaris):
http://www.oracle.com/ocom/groups/public/documents/webcontent/038563.pdf
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Kind regards, BM
Things, that are stupid at the beginning, rarely ends up wisely. |
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Fabrizio Giudici Posted via mailing list.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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I strongly encourage everybody to listen the Oracle screencast about
NetBeans at the link provided a few messages ago.
My understanding is that there's _no_ distinction professional /
personal use between JDeveloper or NetBeans. The distinction is that
JDeveloper was and continues to be part of a commercial offer of
products and services by Oracle for their customers, and NetBeans was
and continues to be free and open source with the same license.
JDeveloper was and continues to be specially aimed at working with a
large set of Oracle specific technologies, NetBeans was and continues to
be suitable for working with open stuff. NetBeans won't be restricted to
Java SE, as there's an Oracle statement in the screencast that Oracle
will strive to make NetBeans the best IDE for JSE, JME and JEE (and
JavaFX) - in fact, JDeveloper doesn't have any support for JME or
JavaFX; since Oracle confirmed the committment on GlassFish as RI of
JEE, NetBeans will keep full support for it.
It's also my understanding that in the screencast is clearly said that
Oracle wont' invest in NetBeans support for languages other than Java
and JavaFX, leaving others to the community. A number of sources are
reporting the opposited and I frankly believe that somebody understood
it wrong and others copied it without verifying. Again, I strongly
encourage you to listen to the original screencasts.
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Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager
Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere."
java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people
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BM Posted via mailing list.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: Oracle - Future of Netbeans? |
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On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Fabrizio Giudici
<address-removed> wrote:
| Quote: | My understanding is that there's _no_ distinction professional / personal
use between JDeveloper or NetBeans.
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I don't see this distinction either and have no idea where people are
pulling this statement from. The thing is very clear: NetBeans is
*best* for JEE and scriptings, but for Oracle *specific* stuff they
will push JDeveloper + some pack on Eclipse that they developed for
years and has a pile of customers. Hence it is literally impossible to
just kill Eclipse and JDeveloper thingy as these are supported for $$$
and will be.
Smells like they want to have three IDE's in order to take everybody
to them, no matter what you like: NetBeans, Eclipse or JDeveloper. So
far, idea is good, as long as they will not move all the good parts
from NetBeans to JDeveloper, then lock on pay and then abandon
NetBeans entirely, making it unusable...
| Quote: | JDeveloper doesn't have any support
for JME or JavaFX; since Oracle confirmed the committment on GlassFish as RI
of JEE, NetBeans will keep full support for it.
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Yes. That's very true. However, as I already said, my worry that they
will simply pull out parts from the NetBeans and GlassFish, move to
JDeveloper/WebLogic and abandon NB/GF. I think this is their main
strategy now, no matter what do they bullsh*t us officially.
Especially take a careful look at what do they want to do with
GlassFish. To translate it to a real English it would sound like this:
"We want to take apart GlassFish and use its parts for our sh*tty
WebLogic, so then all projects that just works on a GlassFish would
work on WebLogic and so you can easily migrate to. After that, we will
stop funding GlassFish and it will eventually die, because we will
screw up Java 7 with some special JSR, where NULL will be an empty
String and int will be also long, real, double and a short, as it is
in our great database".
I think it is all very disappointing, actually — Oracle didn't took
instant killing strategy, but they clearly took a long migration
strategy to their crapware and then they will start squeezing you,
once competitive products will eventually unable to compete... :-(
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Kind regards, BM
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ryniek
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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So support for scripting languages is the responsibility of NetBeans community, but Java/C/C++/Fortran support is the responsibility of Oracle. And, NetBeans will be IDE for personal use (with permission for developing C/C++/Fortran and projects in other languages as a non-commercial software), but JDeveloper will be for bussiness users. This i had understood listening to Developer Tools webcast.
Right? |
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