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Erno Mononen
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
Hi folks,

While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have started
looking at what we should do for the next release (which will likely be
7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them after 6.1 [1] -- some
of them we got to implement already for 6.5, while for some others there
wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at all these now again). More
details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan page.

Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any new
ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and wasn't
implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is already listed
on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ, emphasizing its importance
here won't hurt. Since there is never enough time and resources to
implement everything, your feedback on what are the things that we
should concentrate on is invaluable to us.

Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release (the
whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to put
extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.

Thanks,
Erno

[1]
http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html
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Martin Krauskopf
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
Erno Mononen wrote:
Quote:
Hi folks,

While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have started

Also worth to note that we've started to keep 'Recent Changes' wiki
page[1] up-to-date again. So you might watch the progress of
NetBeans.next there.

m.

[1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyRecentChanges
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John
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
nice, i'll have a think and post some ideas for the next release.

excellent product by the way, so much better than Eclipse and Aptana; plus way more stable Wink


John.

2008/10/20 Martin Krauskopf <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])>
Quote:
Erno Mononen wrote:
Quote:
Hi folks,

While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have started


Also worth to note that we've started to keep 'Recent Changes' wiki page[1] up-to-date again. So you might watch the progress of NetBeans.next there.

m.

[1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyRecentChanges



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john casu
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
I'd like a way to be able to write a netbeans plugin entirely in jruby.

Erno Mononen wrote:
Quote:
Hi folks,

While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have started
looking at what we should do for the next release (which will likely be
7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them after 6.1 [1] -- some
of them we got to implement already for 6.5, while for some others there
wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at all these now again). More
details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan page.

Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any new
ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and wasn't
implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is already listed
on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ, emphasizing its importance
here won't hurt. Since there is never enough time and resources to
implement everything, your feedback on what are the things that we
should concentrate on is invaluable to us.

Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release (the
whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to put
extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.

Thanks,
Erno

[1]
http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html







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Tim Uckun
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:25 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
I would like to be able to align code in columns

for example

t.string "some_column", :null => false
t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false

I want this to align like

t.string "some_column", :null => false
t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false

I believe emacs does this.
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Martin Krauskopf
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
john casu wrote:
Quote:
I'd like a way to be able to write a netbeans plugin entirely in jruby.

Hi John,

I'd been playing with this some time ago[1]. But was quite hard to
utilize, rather musing and exploring the topic.
I think that these days with 6.5 and 7.0 it would be easier. So I would
like to give it a second shot.

But I would like to know what would be your use-cases. Ideally
everything written in JRuby, sure Smile, but we have to start somewhere,
with some easier use-cases. So do you have any concrete ideas?

I think that there will be need for some bridge "Ruby to NetBeans Java
APIs" or might be some kind of DSL for menu, wizard, editor's hints, ...
'registration'....

m.

[1] http://blogs.sun.com/martink/entry/scripting_netbeans_in_ruby
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john casu
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
Martin Krauskopf wrote:
Quote:
john casu wrote:
Quote:
I'd like a way to be able to write a netbeans plugin entirely in jruby.

Hi John,

I'd been playing with this some time ago[1]. But was quite hard to
utilize, rather musing and exploring the topic.
I think that these days with 6.5 and 7.0 it would be easier. So I would
like to give it a second shot.


when I say written entirely in JRuby, I'm implying the ability to call
Java from JRuby.


Quote:
But I would like to know what would be your use-cases. Ideally
everything written in JRuby, sure Smile, but we have to start somewhere,
with some easier use-cases. So do you have any concrete ideas?


my use cases are for tools to help augment the capabilities of netbeans
wrt running parallel applications written in C/C++ & Fortran, and
possibly Ruby itself.

I'd like to be able to take files in projects, and either do some text
processing of those files, or annotate those files with external data.

I'd like to add some tools to Netbeans, specifically modify the toolbar
to be able to specify a number of processors on which to run a parallel
job, and maybe integrate into some batch system like SGE. Also add
Jumpshot from the mpich group.

I'd also like to augment existing tools, like the debugger, but I'm
willing to bite the bullet and do that entirely in Java if I have to.


Quote:
I think that there will be need for some bridge "Ruby to NetBeans Java
APIs" or might be some kind of DSL for menu, wizard, editor's hints, ...
'registration'....


Sure.



Quote:
m.

[1] http://blogs.sun.com/martink/entry/scripting_netbeans_in_ruby






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Logan Barnett
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
Erno Mononen wrote:
Quote:
Hi folks,
While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have
started looking at what we should do for the next release (which
will likely be 7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them
after 6.1 [1] -- some of them we got to implement already for 6.5,
while for some others there wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at
all these now again). More details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan
page.
Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any
new ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and
wasn't implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is
already listed on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ,
emphasizing its importance here won't hurt. Since there is never
enough time and resources to implement everything, your feedback on
what are the things that we should concentrate on is invaluable to us.
Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release
(the whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to
put extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.
Thanks,
Erno
[1] http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html




I found this in the 'Not yet implemented features' section:
Java integration - make it easies to use Java from JRuby (and vice
versa). Could include things such as bundling the necessary jar files,
code completion and other editor features.

I'm not sure if this is the same thing, but I'd like to see better
integration between JRuby and Java projects (maybe this is just a
JRuby project). I'm doing a lot of GUI development with JRuby right
now. I use the GUI builder to do the layout and then write JRuby to
hook into all of that and perform the app logic. I've found that
working in a Java project is the best idea, since it compiles all of
those Java forms and tosses them on the classpath. I'm not sure how
far you guys have gone, since I'm using 6.1 over here.
If you are looking for a JRuby build tool to help you along, Rawr is
about to hit 1.0, and is worth checking out. On trunk, it's compiling
Ruby files now and being more intelligent about compilation in general.

You guys are doing an awesome job by the way. At my office, Netbeans
is the standard IDE for our Ruby development.
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Martin Krauskopf
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:27 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
john casu wrote:
Quote:
Martin Krauskopf wrote:
Quote:
john casu wrote:
Quote:
I'd like a way to be able to write a netbeans plugin entirely in jruby.

Hi John,

I'd been playing with this some time ago[1]. But was quite hard to
utilize, rather musing and exploring the topic.
I think that these days with 6.5 and 7.0 it would be easier. So I
would like to give it a second shot.


when I say written entirely in JRuby, I'm implying the ability to call
Java from JRuby.


Quote:
But I would like to know what would be your use-cases. Ideally
everything written in JRuby, sure Smile, but we have to start somewhere,
with some easier use-cases. So do you have any concrete ideas?


my use cases are for tools to help augment the capabilities of netbeans
wrt running parallel applications written in C/C++ & Fortran, and
possibly Ruby itself.

I'd like to be able to take files in projects, and either do some text
processing of those files, or annotate those files with external data.

I'd like to add some tools to Netbeans, specifically modify the toolbar
to be able to specify a number of processors on which to run a parallel
job, and maybe integrate into some batch system like SGE. Also add
Jumpshot from the mpich group.

I'd also like to augment existing tools, like the debugger, but I'm
willing to bite the bullet and do that entirely in Java if I have to.

I've filed RFE here:

http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=151085

where you can watch the progress. Everybody capable in both, Ruby and
Java, are welcomed with contributions Smile
E.g. developing general purpose Ruby DSL and/or APIs should be quite IDE
independent. I guess we can track ideas on some wiki-page like:

http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyExetendingNetBeansInRuby
(does not exist now)

once somebody starts to work on it. I will ping the ML here when I get
to it.

m.
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Martin Krauskopf
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
Logan Barnett wrote:
[...]
Quote:
I found this in the 'Not yet implemented features' section:
Java integration - make it easies to use Java from JRuby (and vice
versa). Could include things such as bundling the necessary jar files,
code completion and other editor features.

I'm not sure if this is the same thing, but I'd like to see better
integration between JRuby and Java projects (maybe this is just a JRuby
project). I'm doing a lot of GUI development with JRuby right now. I use
the GUI builder to do the layout and then write JRuby to hook into all
of that and perform the app logic. I've found that working in a Java
project is the best idea, since it compiles all of those Java forms and
tosses them on the classpath. I'm not sure how far you guys have gone,
since I'm using 6.1 over here.

There is not such support in 6.5 as well. We are considering better
JRuby integration then we have now. There has to be decisions made,
whether to rather provide better general non-platform dependent features
or whether it is already time when there is enough of such general
features and we might focus more on specific feature like tuned JRuby
support.
But we try to provide at least a piece from every area if possible.

Quote:
If you are looking for a JRuby build tool to help you along, Rawr is
about to hit 1.0, and is worth checking out. On trunk, it's compiling
Ruby files now and being more intelligent about compilation in general.

Thanks for the tips. I've filed:

http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=151086

and included into the planning page.

m.
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bruparel
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
For me, the best feature that you can introduce in NetBeans 6.5 is an easy
and transparent way of bringing up the Rails console at a break point and do
ad-hoc analysis and testing. Somehow if this can be tied to the development
log so that we can see interactive feedback, then Netbeans simply would be
unstoppable.
Bharat

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Peter Williams
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
Comments inline.

bruparel wrote:
Quote:
For me, the best feature that you can introduce in NetBeans 6.5 is an easy
and transparent way of bringing up the Rails console at a break point and do
ad-hoc analysis and testing.
I don't see any (obvious) reason why this can't be done. It's (mostly)
a variation on the expression evaluator, which I believe is already
supported for the Ruby Debugger.

File an enhancement request against ruby/debugger please. Include
details from my question below.

Quote:
Somehow if this can be tied to the development
log so that we can see interactive feedback,
Do you simply mean the output of the console described above goes to the
log? Or what exactly?

-Peter
Quote:
then Netbeans simply would be
unstoppable.
Bharat


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Martin Krauskopf
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
bruparel wrote:
Quote:
For me, the best feature that you can introduce in NetBeans 6.5 is an easy
and transparent way of bringing up the Rails console at a break point and do
ad-hoc analysis and testing.

Hi, this is already filed here:

http://www.netbeans.org/nonav/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107761

Might be dependent on Terminal Emulator. I'm still not sure how it will
be implemented. If just simple expression evaluator or if we will
delegate work to the specialized IRB as CLI debugger does.

m.
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Erno Mononen
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
Hi Tim,

Tim Uckun wrote:
Quote:
I would like to be able to align code in columns

for example

t.string "some_column", :null => false
t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false

I want this to align like

t.string "some_column", :null => false
t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false

I believe emacs does this.


That's an interesting idea, I filed
http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=151456 for this. I'm not
familiar enough with the editing infrastructure to say anything about
whether this can be done for the next release, but in any case, please
add a comment in the issue if you know what exactly is the action in
Emacs that does this (for comparison).

Thanks,
Erno
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(((Bonsai Studio))) - Giu
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas Reply with quote
I am using NB Mac version.
It would be nice to get into the "Files/Projects" pane pop up window a
"duplicate" file and a "new" file item.
Not to mention a "show in Finder" one.

Who is responsible of the Mac's user interface? I would love to give
an help.

Il giorno 20/ott/08, alle ore 13:05, Erno Mononen ha scritto:

Quote:
Hi folks,

While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have
started looking at what we should do for the next release (which
will likely be 7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them
after 6.1 [1] -- some of them we got to implement already for 6.5,
while for some others there wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at
all these now again). More details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan
page.

Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any
new ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and
wasn't implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is
already listed on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ,
emphasizing its importance here won't hurt. Since there is never
enough time and resources to implement everything, your feedback on
what are the things that we should concentrate on is invaluable to us.

Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release
(the whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to
put extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.

Thanks,
Erno

[1] http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html






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