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Filip Zamboj
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:31 pm    Post subject: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

Don't worry we took it easy Wink. Just we were trying to point out that
it's not as easy to have a namespace support and that it's even harder
if you want to support functionality that is under development at the
time being. I guess you guys will appreciate a higher quality release
than buggy namespace support, won't you? ;)

Regards,

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Mchl wrote:
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I hope my comment wasn't received as calling anyone lazy...



I appreciate all the work you do. For some reasons you've decided not to include namespace support in 6.7. In my opinion that's a mistake, though it might not be really serious. Good to know it's on the roadmap anyway.










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radek matous
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

AdamO79PL wrote:
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How about disabling namespace syntax checking for the final release of 6.7? At least it wouldn't annoy everyone, yelling around...

sorry? can you explain?

Radek
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AdamO79PL



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well

I understand it's too late to "code into" 6.7 the logic required to deal with namespaces the right way. How about giving users an option, setting or something (before namespaces are ready) to get rid of these nasty red exclamation icons right next to the line containing namespace-related code.

I know that's not really a solution to the problem but it will propably keep us usesr - always demanding, ungreatful hord, from throwing LCDs, kicking our boxes and swearing at family Wink

Keep up the great work guys.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I'm dreaming...

Let me tell you why I like NetBeans, why I still use Zend Studio 5.5 and why I HATE Eclipse...

The reason I got curious about NetBeans is because it doesn't try to do million things at the same time, because it's simple. That's why I HATE Eclipse or any Eclipse-based IDE. The way Zend Studio 5.5.1 allows me to handle working on remote machines is spot on what I want. I can have projects but I can also simply define a remote SFTP server and I have it listed in my left "File System" pane. When I create a new project I can pick any dir from that remote server and use it in my project. Simple as that. I'm not even going to discuss the way Eclipse handles that problem - it's f***ing ridiculous...

Now. I like NetBeans because it supports SFTP and SVN and it's simple! I do miss however the Zend Studio 5.5.1 "File System" pane. I mean sometimes I don't want to create a project, go through all that fuss... Sometimes I just want to log into server, work on some files and that's it.

If you ever implement that I will send you guys a case of best polish cold beer Smile
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radek matous
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:04 am    Post subject: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

AdamO79PL wrote:
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Well

I understand it's too late to "code into" 6.7 the logic required to deal with namespaces the right way. How about giving users an option, setting or something to get rid of these nasty red exclamation icons right next to the line containing namespace-related code.

I know that's not really a solution to the problem but it will propably keep us usesr - always demanding, ungreatful hord, from throwing LCD, kicking our boxes and swearing at family ;)

Keep up the great work guys

Hi,

thanks for your suggestion. You are 100% right that its too late for
namespace support in 6.7 and I don't believe there exists any shortcut
solution. On the other hand NB 6.8 development was already started and
we've moved a little bit forward. You can take 6.8 development build to
see if I'm right Smile .

http://bertram.netbeans.org/hudson/job/PHP-build/

Radek
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radek matous
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

AdamO79PL wrote:
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While I'm dreaming...

Let me tell you why I like NetBeans, why I still use Zend Studio 5.5 and why I HATE Eclipse...

The reason I got curious about NetBeans is because it doesn't try to do million things at the same time, because it's simple. That's why I HATE Eclipse or any Eclipse-based IDE. The way Zend Studio 5.5.1 allows me to handle working on remote machines is spot on what I want. I can have projects but I can also simply define a remote SFTP server and I have it listed in my left "File System" pane. When I create a new project I can pick any dir from that remote server and use it in my project. Simple as that. I'm not even going to discuss Eclipse handles that problem - it's f***ing ridiculous...

Now. I like NetBeans because it supports SFTP and SVN and it's simple! I do miss however the Zend Studio 5.5.1 "File System" pane. I mean sometimes I don't want to create a project, go through all that fuss... Sometimes I just want to log into server, work on some files and that's it.

If you ever implement that I will send you guys a case of best polish cold beer :)


Knowing that, we will do our best Smile !

Radek
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Eugene Morgan
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

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Now. I like NetBeans because it supports SFTP and SVN and it's simple! I do miss however the Zend Studio 5.5.1 "File System" pane. I mean sometimes I don't want to create a project, go through all that fuss... Sometimes I just want to log into server, work on some files and that's it.


Have you tried the "Files" (Ctrl + 2) or the "Favorites" (Ctrl + 3)
pane? I use the favorites pane all the time to access files when I
don't want to open or create a project.
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AdamO79PL



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

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On the other hand NB 6.8 development was already started and
we've moved a little bit forward. You can take 6.8 development build to
see if I'm right.


You are right Radek Smile 6.8 dev is looking very, very good. Keep it up! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

Eugene Morgan wrote:
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Now. I like NetBeans because it supports SFTP and SVN and it's simple! I do miss however the Zend Studio 5.5.1 "File System" pane. I mean sometimes I don't want to create a project, go through all that fuss... Sometimes I just want to log into server, work on some files and that's it.


Have you tried the "Files" (Ctrl + 2) or the "Favorites" (Ctrl + 3)
pane? I use the favorites pane all the time to access files when I
don't want to open or create a project.


I was not aware of "Favorites" pane o_O. Thanks for showin it to me. It's however not exactly what I talked about. It's great, if the file(s) you want to access are on local, network drives or on ftp server - basically anywhere, where you can get from the system. The feature of Zend Studio I talked about is that I can define a SFTP server and either browse it or add it to a project. Windows does not have (AFAIK) a support for SFTP so It's not it. But close Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small SVN (or all version controll) issue. After commiting a file, where I have an $Id$ field, it does not update it until I click on the editor (give focus to the editor) and sometimes even that doesn't work. The file gets updated but I have to close it and open it again to see the correct value of $Id$.
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Ondrej Vrabec
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

Could you file an issue for this at
http://www.netbeans.org/issues/enter_bug.cgi?component=subversion ?

Please report in the issue:
Could you also check if the modification timestamp for the file is
changed by the svn commit?
Start the IDE with a switch
-J-Dorg.netbeans.modules.subversion.level=500, invoke a commit and
attach the IDE log to the issue.

Thanks

AdamO79PL wrote:
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Small SVN (or all version controll) issue. After commiting a file, where I have an $Id$ field, it does not update it until I click on the editor (give focus to the editor) and sometimes even that doesn't work. The file gets updated but I have to close it and open it again to see the correct value of $Id$.










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AdamO79PL



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ondrej.

Ticket submitted. #167557
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys!
I'm a die hard NetBeans fan since the times of 6.5 beta, and when I first tried NetBeans with PHP. I too, used ZendStudio for a while and liked it very much but it was not for free.I never really got convinced by Eclipse - it's just so big, heavy and slow, and eats up all available memory. I can leave NetBeans open on my machine for days (it's not a rare case, I reboot it only when I install updates that need it or when I'm away on holidays Very Happy) and it will not grow in memory like Eclipse does. My previous experience with Eclipse was restarting it every 2-3 hours of work to free up some memory - very very annoying! So I just love the memory indicator with GC force on click in NetBeans - gives me the feeling of having power and control Very Happy

Ok, after some sugar, time for some complaints Very Happy
I just moved over to PHP 5.3 mainly for the namespaces support. Otherwise I could have stayed with the old version. I'm starting a couple of new projects and wanted to structure them to use namespaces - it's a big change, it's a whole thing about how you organise things in projects. And I didn't even THINK ns wouldn't be supported at the level of syntax checking! Ok, I could understand refactoring tools or suggestion warnings getting crazy, maybe coloring & intellisense at times.. but the basic parsing? Do you use the PHP engine to check syntax and produce syntax errors for you or use your own custom built-in interpreter, that needs to be updated everytime PHP introduces syntax changes?? I'm counting days until ns will be supported in NB, really really need it..
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

AdamO79PL wrote:
Eugene Morgan wrote:
Quote:
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Now. I like NetBeans because it supports SFTP and SVN and it's simple! I do miss however the Zend Studio 5.5.1 "File System" pane. I mean sometimes I don't want to create a project, go through all that fuss... Sometimes I just want to log into server, work on some files and that's it.


Have you tried the "Files" (Ctrl + 2) or the "Favorites" (Ctrl + 3)
pane? I use the favorites pane all the time to access files when I
don't want to open or create a project.


I was not aware of "Favorites" pane o_O. Thanks for showin it to me. It's however not exactly what I talked about. It's great, if the file(s) you want to access are on local, network drives or on ftp server - basically anywhere, where you can get from the system. The feature of Zend Studio I talked about is that I can define a SFTP server and either browse it or add it to a project. Windows does not have (AFAIK) a support for SFTP so It's not it. But close Smile


You can do that on Windows using a tool such a Expandrive (Not free, http://www.expandrive.com/windows).

However, it becomes nearly unusable when the number of servers you need to connect to is high (i.e. I have about 30 FTP/SFTP servers for all my projects). Also, project scanning can take a few hours, since the files are remote.
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Tomas Mysik
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Namespace support missing? Reply with quote

Hi,

Dne neděle 05 července 2009 12:21:52 agaace napsal(a):
Quote:
I'm a die hard NetBeans fan since the times of 6.5 beta, and when I first
tried NetBeans with PHP. I too, used ZendStudio for a while and liked it
very much but it was not for free.I never really got convinced by Eclipse -
it's just so big, heavy and slow, and eats up all available memory. I can
leave NetBeans open on my machine for days (it's not a rare case, I reboot
it only when I install updates that need it or when I'm away on holidays
Very Happy) and it will not grow in memory like Eclipse does. My previous
experience with Eclipse was restarting it every 2-3 hours of work to free
up some memory - very very annoying! So I just love the memory indicator
with GC force on click in NetBeans - gives me the feeling of having power
and control Very Happy

thanks a lot!

Quote:
Ok, after some sugar, time for some complaints :D

I just moved over to PHP 5.3 mainly for the namespaces support. Otherwise I
could have stayed with the old version. I'm starting a couple of new
projects and wanted to structure them to use namespaces - it's a big
change, it's a whole thing about how you organise things in projects. And I
didn't even THINK ns wouldn't be supported at the level of syntax checking!
Ok, I could understand refactoring tools or suggestion warnings getting
crazy, maybe coloring & intellisense at times.. but the basic parsing? Do
you use the PHP engine to check syntax and produce syntax errors for you or
use your own custom built-in interpreter, that needs to be updated
everytime PHP introduces syntax changes?? I'm counting days until ns will
be supported in NB, really really need it..

Initial support for PHP 5.3 can be found in NB development versions [1] but
they aren't definitely as stable as final versions and can be broken a lot.

HTH,
Tomas
[1] http://bertram.netbeans.org/hudson/job/PHP-build/
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