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Fabrizio Giudici
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:36:53 +0200, Ramon Casha <address-removed> wrote:
| Quote: | This is true. Our company had considered Netbeans Platform before, but
this
has now been blacklisted. We do not want to place our products in the
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The OP said that SAF has been blacklisted by NetBeans.
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rcasha
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:56 am Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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No I meant that as an actual question. Since I've never developed a NB plugin I'd have to first do a lot of learning before I can create a plugin. Someone who has done it before would find it easier to set up things.
Ramon Casha
On 11 April 2012 10:03, Fabrizio Giudici <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:34:27 +0200, Ramon Casha <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])> wrote:
| Quote: | Fabrizio,
How difficult or easy would it be to take the SAF support code that
existed, turn it into a NBM plugin then just leave it there? Then it can be
adopted and maintained by anyone who wants to keep SAF alive.
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Exactly. So why you guys aren't doing that?
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rcasha
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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Precisely. Why would I want to base our products on a platform maintained by people who think nothing of pulling out the carpet from people's feet like that?
Ramon Casha
On 11 April 2012 10:05, Fabrizio Giudici <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:36:53 +0200, Ramon Casha <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])> wrote:
| Quote: | This is true. Our company had considered Netbeans Platform before, but this
has now been blacklisted. We do not want to place our products in the hands
of people like that.
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The OP said that SAF has been blacklisted by NetBeans.
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Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere."
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Fabrizio Giudici
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:09 am Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:37:05 +0200, Ramon Casha <address-removed> wrote:
| Quote: | Precisely. Why would I want to base our products on a platform maintained
by people who think nothing of pulling out the carpet from people's feet
like that?
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In my opionion, the blacklisting of SAF module is pure FUD. I'm waiting
for the OP to elaborate on it.
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Fabrizio Giudici
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:35:05 +0200, Ramon Casha <address-removed> wrote:
| Quote: | No I meant that as an actual question. Since I've never developed a NB
plugin I'd have to first do a lot of learning before I can create a
plugin.
Someone who has done it before would find it easier to set up things.
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A few months ago I took the JavaFX Script 1.0 NetBeans support
(discontinued) and prepared for an independent build, for Visage people. I
never looked at the code and didn't need anything special, as it basically
compiled as it were, it just needed some adjustment for using the Visage
runtime instead of JavaFX 1.0. I suppose that the SAF module support is
easier to handle, so I think that if three of you try to manage it, it's
perfectly doable.
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javydreamercsw
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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| I think the issue is the GUI tool. It seems that is being reworked to be used with JavaFX stuff so I believe is not fully segregated. Moving it to its own module seems to require some work. It would be nice if NetBeans segregated the code ready for this... |
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Fabrizio Giudici
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:22:56 +0200, Javier Ortiz
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| Quote: | I think the issue is the GUI tool. It seems that is being reworked to be
used with JavaFX stuff so I believe is not fully segregated. Moving it to
its own module seems to require some work. It would be nice if NetBeans
segregated the code ready for this...
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I don't know. But if somebody is interested in doing this stuff, we can
ask the engineering.
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Glenn Holmer
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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On Mon, 2012-04-09 at 21:47 -0700, usagi wrote:
| Quote: | I hear that IF-statements were put into the code which
explicitly targeted SAF. Which means you couldn't even use SAF (and I
assume BSAF) because it was now targeted by the code.
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Where did you hear this?
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Glenn Holmer
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 10:06 +0800, Manuel Mall wrote:
| Quote: | I am really puzzled by this on-going discussion regarding SAF support.
The NetBeans team have dropped support for an obsolete technology. So
what - happens all the time not only in the Java world. Simple
solution: Keep using NetBeans 7.0 for your (now legacy) SAF
applications. We have been using NB 6.5 for years because later
versions did break developing with certain existing code until we got
around fixing the code. I have been using VB3 long past its 'Use by
date' to maintain legacy stuff or Borland C++ or .... We are also
using Eclipse 3 generations old because upgrading would break certain
BIRT reports we have in a particular Eclipse based application. What I
am saying is that new versions of a toolchain can at times
introduce incompatibilities with existing code (for a wide variety of
reasons - in this case because something was deliberately dropped by
the tool developers) and this is not something that is limited to
NetBeans and/or Java. Just live with it and move on and most
importantly nothing is really broken for you as you can continue to
use the tools you used to develop the application in the first place.
Yes, I know you are missing out on new features in NetBeans 7.1 but
that doesn't break your ability to maintain your existing SAF based
applications using NetBeans 7.
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Hear, hear.
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Mack06
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| Mack06 wrote: | | It might be disappointing that they removed a framework that was dead and never was standardized in the first place... but making wild, ridiculous claims of un-trustworthiness to villainize NetBeans people is uncalled for! |
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rcasha
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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It has nothing to do with "removing a framework". It has everything to do with FIRST encouraging developers to use a framework, then removing code that was working perfectly in such a way that all the forms developed - many hundreds of forms - can't even be OPENED using the designer. Those claims of trustworthiness are neither wild nor ridiculous.
Ramon Casha
On 11 April 2012 15:34, Mack06 <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])> wrote:
| Quote: | It might be disappointing that they removed a framework that was dead and never was standardized in the first place... but making wild, ridiculous claims of trustworthiness to villainize NetBeans people is uncalled for!
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Mack06
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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I go to the grocery store and they give out free samples of cookies every day. I love going there and getting my free cookie. I never buy anything, I just want a free cookie. I am quite addicted to my free cookie! One day I go in and they are not giving out free cookies any longer. As a matter of fact they have discontinued the program to give free cookie samples!
How could they do such a thing! They encouraged me to like the cookies and then pulled the rug out from under me!
They are untrustworthy and I will never go to that store again!
Mark
From: Ramon Casha <address-removed>
To: address-removed
Sent: Wed, April 11, 2012 8:56:13 AM
Subject: [nbusers] Re: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued
It has nothing to do with "removing a framework". It has everything to do with FIRST encouraging developers to use a framework, then removing code that was working perfectly in such a way that all the forms developed - many hundreds of forms - can't even be OPENED using the designer. Those claims of trustworthiness are neither wild nor ridiculous.
Ramon Casha
On 11 April 2012 15:34, Mack06 <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])> wrote:
| Quote: | It might be disappointing that they removed a framework that was dead and never was standardized in the first place... but making wild, ridiculous claims of trustworthiness to villainize NetBeans people is uncalled for!
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Geertjan Wielenga
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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On 04/11/2012 03:56 PM, Ramon Casha wrote: | Quote: | It has nothing to do with "removing a framework". It has everything to do with FIRST encouraging developers to use a framework, then removing code that was working perfectly in such a way that all the forms developed - many hundreds of forms - can't even be OPENED using the designer. Those claims of trustworthiness are neither wild nor ridiculous.
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We've also encouraged developers to use JAX-RPC. We provided tools for using JAX-RPC. We provided tutorials. We made screencasts.
Then, when JAX-WS was introduced as the successor of JAX-RPC, we removed JAX-RPC support from NetBeans. We didn't provide any tools for converting from JAX-RPC to JAX-WS. We did, however, provide tutorials for using JAX-WS, as well as new tools for using JAX-WS.
Gj
| Quote: | Ramon Casha
On 11 April 2012 15:34, Mack06 <address-removed ([email]address-removed[/email])> wrote:
| Quote: | It might be disappointing that they removed a framework that was dead and never was standardized in the first place... but making wild, ridiculous claims of trustworthiness to villainize NetBeans people is uncalled for!
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Bayless Kirtley
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued |
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Well said Glenn!
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Holmer
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:50 AM
To: address-removed
Subject: [nbusers] Re: NetBeans 7.1 Swing Application Support discontinued
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 10:06 +0800, Manuel Mall wrote:
| Quote: | I am really puzzled by this on-going discussion regarding SAF support.
The NetBeans team have dropped support for an obsolete technology. So
what - happens all the time not only in the Java world. Simple
solution: Keep using NetBeans 7.0 for your (now legacy) SAF
applications. We have been using NB 6.5 for years because later
versions did break developing with certain existing code until we got
around fixing the code. I have been using VB3 long past its 'Use by
date' to maintain legacy stuff or Borland C++ or .... We are also
using Eclipse 3 generations old because upgrading would break certain
BIRT reports we have in a particular Eclipse based application. What I
am saying is that new versions of a toolchain can at times
introduce incompatibilities with existing code (for a wide variety of
reasons - in this case because something was deliberately dropped by
the tool developers) and this is not something that is limited to
NetBeans and/or Java. Just live with it and move on and most
importantly nothing is really broken for you as you can continue to
use the tools you used to develop the application in the first place.
Yes, I know you are missing out on new features in NetBeans 7.1 but
that doesn't break your ability to maintain your existing SAF based
applications using NetBeans 7.
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Hear, hear.
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Glenn Holmer address-removed
Software Engineer phone: 414-908-1809
Weyco Group, Inc. fax: 414-908-1601 |
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